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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 2:36 pm 
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Well for years I've used the AG kit, but personally I find the sponge weird and cheap but always forgave it because it was fairly cheap all considered.

But it seems expensive now, and as my car is older the roof needs more work to keep nice, and the kit just never seems to work any more.

The cleaner doesn't seem to lift anything, even with a dedicated brush. The protector hasn't beaded and worked right for the last two kits (4 applications) I've applied. Maybe I've got the conditions wrong, too humid? Too cold? But either way I'm fed up of spending lots on something that has so many bad points.


So I'm on the hunt for something new for about £20.


I've seen the Autofinesse stuff here on CYC, for about £22. Does anyone know how many passes I'll be able to do on a BMW Z4? How long it might last?

Is it better than the AG kit?


I'm willing to give anything a bash but money is fairly tight right now and I don't want to spend money on something carp basically. That doesn't mean the budget is tight, just there isn't much scope for being able to write off a bad product and buy something else.


Many thanks for any ideas or advice!

Dave


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 2:42 pm 
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At around the £20.00 budget, have a look at the 303 Convertible Top Kit or there's always Renovo

Another product that gets mentioned frequently is Fabsil but this is only the waterproofer.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 5:49 pm 
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The Renovo kit looks quite nice.

I like the idea of painting on the protection rather than spraying with the (usually) not so great spray nozzles which just put it on patchy or too thick or drip etc.

Then again I have brushes already.


The 303 looks simple with no superflous extras, but no mention of how many roofs it'll do. So quite expensive again for two bottles and maybe only 6 months of coverage and loads of spare cleaner left over (always happened with the AG one)


Lots to consider and read up! I'll definitely leave some feedback on the products whichever I end up getting (ideally CYC!)


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:19 pm 
Found this for you:

willington wrote:
I know of some vert overs that swear by using Fabsil as their sealant...cheap, long lasting, effective and applied by using a paintbrust. Personally speaking, the Renovo Sealant is fantastic...not as cheap as Fabsil, but effective and VERY long lasting.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:27 am 
I have yet to find a vert proofer that lasts as long as the Renovo Ultraproofer does.... 1 litre gives 2 applications on my old Saab 93 fabric. After three years, I'm soon to apply it again!

Yes, Fabsil is far cheaper, about £20 for 5 litres, but I don't want to have to re-apply it every few months.

The Renovo cleaner is top-notch and really lifts out the grime.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 10:40 am 
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I'll probably try the Renovo for now...

I'll report back with beading shots I hope :)


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 11:48 am 
Just a few tips for maximizing the results with Renovo....


Place a large fabric dust sheetover the top and down the sides of the car (roof aopen. Close the roof. This will protect the paintwork from any dripps onto the paintwork and glass.

Vacuum the vert fabric.

Apply and aggitate the cleaner with a pigs hair nail brush/detailers brush which has been dipped into warm water.

Leave the cleaner on for about 20 minutes.

Rinse off with an open ended hose pipe.

Leave to dry.

*1 if you should observe any 'green patches' at this stage, these will be Mold. The spores will have to be killed off before any proofer is applied. Use Milton (baby bottle fluid/tablets) to do this.

*2 Should you find any 'crusty patches', these can be removed by using vinegar or a steam cleaner.

*3 Rinse off with an open ended hose pipe if *1 or *2 is necessary.

If you see faded areas on the fabric, caused by the supports beneath them, you can use the Renovo fabric restorer (dye)...I would always recommend 2 applications of the dye to get an even colour distribution.

When applying the Ultraproofer, apply it with a clean 2" paintbrush. Start from the middle and work towards the edges. Work in the proofer by 'stippling' (especially around the edges of the fabric)

When the fabric has dried off, apply a second coat of proofer in the opposite direction (front to back) to attain maximum proofing.

When the fabric is dry, test the proofing by pouring a cup of water on the roof....... it should just roll off the fabric VERY quickly. Any beads of water remaining will move around the fabric with the slightest hint of wind or by blowing on them!


General maintenance:

NEVER use a pressure washer directly onto the fabric...it can damage the proofing and even penetrate the rubber membrane beneath the fabric.
NEVER wash the fabric roof with car shampoo.... the detergents will remove the proofing.

If the fabric gets dirty, use a VERY MILD cleaner...Scholl Bubble is perfect for this and won't remove the proofer.
Dab the fabric roof dry with a drying towel. This will preserve the proofing.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:45 pm 
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^^ good advice and Renovo for the win.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 4:33 pm 
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What sort of brush do you use, is it just an upholstery brush?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 4:39 pm 
I usually use a 2" paintbrush to apply the renovo proofer....wide enough to apply it quick n easy, yet small enough to get into the edge seams.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 5:01 pm 
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What do you use for scrubbing off stubborn bird poo?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 6:16 pm 
a soft nail brush/detailing brush works well for removing those stubborn marks. Anything more abrasive will 'scuff' the fabric.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:25 pm 
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I have a couple of these Natural Horse Hair Convertible Softop Brushes

I keep one in the car to brush off any debris, prior to dropping the roof, if required and the other for when I'm washing the car.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:57 pm 
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Thanks, ill check them out and see what I can pick up.


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